>Spin Magazine interview with Eminem - "Chocolate on the inside" (2000)
The most promising
new rapper of the year is a cartoonishly
angry welfare kid from the Detroit
ghetto. Oh, and by the way, he's
white.
by CHARLES AARON Give this kid a magazine rack, because he's
got a lot of issues. For starters, there's race (he's the
"corny-lookin' white boy" who got his lunch money
stolen at his inner-city school and never forgot), drugs (he's
well acquainted with mushrooms, weed, etc.), and women (he
envisions his mom as a drug addict with no breasts, fantasizes
about murdering his baby's mother, and advises a husband to
cut off the head of his adulterous wife). For 23-year-old
Marshall Mathers, a.k.a. Eminem, a.k.a. Slim Shady, whose
major-label debut, The Slim Shady LP, is the shocker pop-hit
of 1999 (entering the Billboard 200 at No. 2 with more than
280,000 first-week sales), life is a *censored* who needs to die,
now! He's so angry his "dance" song features a line
about Kurt Cobain committing suicide. But by outrageously
spoofing every fear every parent ever had about his/her child,
the album also defies any pat answer as to why this runty dude
is so pissed off. And it implicitly ridicules anybody who
tries to label his music as either "positive" or
"negative." Less than a year ago, Eminem was a
little-known, if nastily skilled, MC from Detroit, with only
an independently released album and EP to his name. Now, after
hooking up with Dr. Dre (he'll soon appear on Dre's Chronic
2000 album), he's been known to give shout-outs to Interscope
boss Jimmy Iovine onstage. Since early '99, MTV has been
endlessly rotating the uproarious video for his single
"My Name Is," in which Eminem impersonates Marilyn
Manson and Bill Clinton, as well as a publicity bit featuring
Missy Elliott and Dre giving the rapper props (Interscope also
bought commercial time to play the video during Howard Stern's
Saturday night CBS TV show). He's getting spins on hip-hop
radio stations, extremely rare for a white artist, and is even
recording a song for Limp Bizkit's new album. All those years
he spent fighting for his right to be white finally paid off. Spin: From listening to your album, you get
the impression that your childhood was pretty much a living
hell. What was it really like? Eminem: I was born in Kansas City, and my dad
left when I was five or six months old. Then when I was five
we moved to a real bad part of Detroit. I was getting beat up
a lot, so we moved back to K.C., then back to Detroit again
when I was 11. My mother couldn't afford to raise me, but then
she had my little brother, so when we moved back to Michigan,
we were just staying wherever we could, with my grandmother or
whatever family would put us up. I know my mother tried to do
the best she could, but I was bounced around so much-it seemed
like we moved every two or three months. I'd go to, like, six
different schools in one year. We were on welfare, and my mom
never ever worked. I'm not trying to give some sob story,
like, "Oh, I've been broke all my life," but people
who know me know it's true. There were times when friends had
to buy me *censored*in' shoes! I was poor white trash, no glitter,
no glamour, but I'm not ashamed of anything. Spin: These were mostly African-American
neighborhoods where you grew up? Eminem: Yeah, near 8 Mile Road in Detroit,
which separates the suburbs from the city. Almost all the
blacks are on one side, and almost all the whites are on the
other, but all the families nearby are low-income. We lived on
the black side. Most of the time it was relatively cool, but I
would get beat up sometimes when I'd walk around the
neighborhood and kids didn't know me. One day I got jumped by,
like, six dudes for no reason. I also got shot at, and ended
up running out of my shoes, crying. I was 15 years old and I
didn't know how to handle that shit. Spin: Were most of your friends black? Eminem: When you're a little kid, you don't
see color, and the fact that my friends were black never
crossed my mind. It never became an issue until I was a
teenager and started trying to rap. Then I'd notice that a lot
of mother*censored*ers always had my back, but somebody always had
to say to them, "Why you have to stick up for the white
boy?" Spin: When did you first get into hip-hop? Eminem: The first hip-hop shit I ever heard
was that song "Reckless" from the Breakin'
soundtrack; my cousin played me the tape when I was, like,
nine. There was this mixed school I went to in fifth grade,
one with lots of Asian and black kids and everybody was into
break dancing. They always had the latest rap tapes-the Fat
Boys, L.L. Cool J's Radio-and I thought it was the most
incredible shit I'd ever heard. Spin: What'd you think when you first heard
the Beastie Boys? Eminem: That's what really did it for me. I
was like, "This shit is so dope!" That's when I
decided I wanted to rap. I'd hang out on the corner where kids
would be rhyming, and when I tried to get in there, I'd get
dissed. A little color issue developed, and as I got old
enough to hit the clubs, it got really bad. I wasn't that dope
yet, but I knew I could rhyme, so I'd get on the open mics and
shit, and a couple of times I was booed off the stage. Spin: Your single ("My Name Is") is
getting played on both Modern Rock and Urban radio. Are you
surprised at how quickly you're being accepted? Eminem: Thing is, I'm not really a commercial
rapper. My whole market, my whole steez, is through the
underground; if those hip-hop heads love it, I'll rise above.
It's like, you hardly ever hear a Wu-Tang song on the radio,
but they rose from the underground on word of mouth. Spin: Has being white really affected the way
you see yourself as a rapper? Eminem: In the beginning, the majority of my
shows were for all-black crowds, and people would always say,
"You're dope for a white boy," and I'd take it as a
compliment. Then, as I got older, I started to think,
"What the *censored* does that mean?" Nobody asks to be
born, nobody has a choice of what color they'll be, or whether
they'll be fat, skinny, anything. I had to work up to a
certain level before people would even look past my color; a
lot of mother*censored*ers would just sit with their arms folded and
be like, "All right, what is this?" But as time went
on, I started to get respect. The best thing a mother*censored*er
ever said about me was after an open mic in Detroit about five
years ago. He was like, "I don't give a *censored* if he's
green, I don't give a *censored* if he's orange, this mother*censored*er
is dope!" Nobody has the right to tell me what kind of
music to listen to or how to dress or how to act or how to
talk; if people want to make jokes, well *censored* 'em. I lived
this shit, you know what I'm sayin'? And if you hear an Eminem
record, you're gonna know the minute that it comes on that
this ain't no fluke. Spin: Did you ever come close to quitting? Eminem: About three or so years ago, not that
long after my daughter [Hailie Jade Scott] was born. I was
staying in this house on 7 Mile Road, and little kids used to
walk down the street going, "Look at the white
baby!" Everything was "white this, white that."
We'd be sitting on our porch, and if you were real quiet,
you'd hear, "Mumble, mumble, white, mumble, mumble,
white." Then I caught some dude breaking into my house
for, like, the fifth time, and I was like, "Yo, *censored*
this! It's not worth it. I'm outta here." That day, I
wanted to quit rap and get a house in the *censored*ing suburbs. I
was arguing with my girl, like, "Can't you see they don't
want us here?" I went through so many changes; I actually
stopped writing for about five or six months and I was about
to give everything up. I just couldn't, though. I'd keep going
to the clubs and taking the abuse. But I'd come home and put a
fist through the wall. If you listen to a Slim Shady record,
you're going to hear all that frustration coming out. Spin: Could you see why some black people
might be not be so enthusiastic about a white kid trying to be
a rapper? Eminem: Yeah, I did see where the people
dissing me were coming from. But, it's like, anything that
happened in the past between black and white, I can't really
speak on it, because I wasn't there. I don't feel like me
being born the color I am makes me any less of a person. Spin: Did you ever wish you were black? Eminem: There was a while when I was feeling
like, "Damn, if I'd just been born black, I would not
have to go through all this shit." But I'm not ignorant-I
know how it must be when a black person goes to get a regular
job in society. Music, in general, is supposed to be
universal; people can listen to whatever they want and get
something out of it. Personally, I just think rap music is the
best thing out there, period. If you look at my deck in my car
radio, you're always going to find a hip-hop tape; that's all
I buy, that's all I live, that's all I listen to, that's all I
love. Spin: How do you feel about other white rap
fans? Eminem: Say there's a white kid who lives in a
nice home, goes to an all-white school, and is pretty much
having everything handed to him on a platter-for him to pick
up a rap tape is incredible to me, because what that's saying
is that he's living a fantasy life of rebellion. He wants to
be hard; he wants to smack mother*censored*ers for no reason except
that the world is *censored*ed-up; he doesn't know what to rebel
against. Kids like that are just fascinated by the culture.
They hear songs about people going through hard times and want
to know what that feels like. But the same thing goes for a
black person who lived in the suburbs and was catered to all
his life: Tupac is a fantasy for him, too. Spin: Should suburban white kids, who don't
have any firsthand experience of the way black people live,
really be identifying so closely with hip-hop? Eminem: Well, whether a white kid goes through
as much shit as I did, or didn't go through any trouble at
all, if they love the music, who's to tell them what they
should be listening to? Let's say I'm a white 16-year-old and
I stand in front of the mirror and lip-synch every day like
I'm Krayzie Bone-who's to say that because I'm a certain color
I shouldn't be doing that? And if I've got a right to buy his
music and make him rich, who's to say that I then don't have
the right to rap myself? Spin: Do you think that hip-hop culture can
open up their minds at all? Eminem: I don't know, man. Sometimes I feel
like rap music is almost the key to stopping racism. If
anything is at least going to lessen it, it's gonna be rap. I
would love it if, even for one day, you could walk through a
neighborhood and see an Asian guy sitting on his stoop, then
you look across the street and see a black guy and a white guy
sitting on their porches, and a Mexican dude walking by. If we
could truly be multicultural, racism could be so past the
point of anybody giving a *censored*; but I don't think you or me
are going to see it in our lifetimes. Spin: What do you think will happen if your
album blows up and becomes a huge hit? Eminem: I imagine I'll go through a lot of
this same racial shit, but that'll just make my second album
better-because I'll have even more to rap about.