>Rolling Stone interview with Eminem - "Eminem blows up" (1999)
In three short months,
twenty-four year old Marshall Bruce
Mathers III has gone from white
trash to white hot.
The Michigan rapper
who calls himself Eminem - and
whose debut The Slim Shady LP,
sold 480,000 copies in its first
two weeks - was a $5.50-an-hour
cook in a Detroit grill before
his obscenity-strewn, gleefully
violent, spastic, hilarious and
demented rhymes landed him in
the studio with rap honcho Dr.
Dre. The blue-eyed MC
is dealing with the instant fame
and simultaneous criticism well
enough -- much better, actually,
than he is dealing with the fifth
of Bicardi he downed an hour ago.
On a chilly Friday night in New
York, he emerges bleary-eyed from
the bathroom in his manager's
office. "I just threw up
everything I had," he says
in his slow-roll drawl, which
is a bit slower at the moment.
"All I ate today was that
slice of pizza. Feel good now,
though." His manager exhales
slowly with relief. Eminem has
three club gigs tonight, and the
first one starts in less than
an hour. The crew (nine, including
DJ Stretch Armstrong and Dennis
the security guard) ambles toward
the elevator. Downstairs awaits
Eminem's partner in rap, Royce
the 5'9, who looks to be about
that and has seven people of his
own in tow. Em hops into a gigantic
ant white limo as fellow honky
Armstrong cops a rhyme from Eric
Clapton's Cream. "In the
white room, with white people
and white rappers," he bellows.
A minute later there's a knock
on the window and one of Royce's
posse gives Eminem the first of
the three hits of ecstasy he will
consume over the course of the
night. Down it goes in a swallow
of ginger ale as the car zooms
off towards Staten Island. Out on New Dorp
Lane, there is a crowd of kids,
a mere fraction of the number
already inside the Lane Theater.
The all-ages show is packed, and
Eminem is the evening's main course.
The mob is being controlled by
the club's security, but when
the rapper moves inside, the burly
dudes are no match for the crush
of shouting teens. "You look
good!" one girl shouts. "Oh,
my God, he looks even better in
person," shrieks another.
Everywhere, kids have tiny glow
sticks in their mouths, which,
here in the dark, look like neon
braces. At the back of the club,
up a ladder, is the minute-dressing
room, where the very proud owner
of the club is waiting. "Hey,
nice to meet ya," he says.
"My daughter told me to get
Eminem, so I got Eminem. It's
her fourteenth birthday. Hey,
say hi to her and her friends." Eminem soon grabs
four bottles of water and heads
to the stage. He owns this audience.
These predominantly white kids
know every word, every nuance,
and can't get enough. If Slim
Shady's rhymes about sex with
underage girls ("Yo look
at her bush, does it got hair?/*censored*
this *censored* right on the spot
bare/Till she passes out and she
forgot how she got there")
bother them any, they don't show
it. In fact, the filthier the
material, the louder the cheers. On The Slim Shady
LP, Eminem says "God sent
me to piss the world off."
Interscope Records is Em's label
- a perfect fit for a company
that's home to controversial artists
like the late Tupac Shakur and
Marilyn Manson. Eminem has been
condemned as a misogynist, a nihilist
and an advocate of domestic violence,
principally in an editorial by
Billboard editor in chief Timothy
White, who attacked The Slim Shady
LP as "making money by exploiting
the world's misery." "My
album isn't for younger kids to
hear," Eminem says. "It
has an advisory sticker, and you
must be eighteen to get it. That
doesn't mean younger kids won't
get it, but I'm not responsible
for every kid out there. I'm not
a role model, and I don't claim
to be." On the album, his
alias, Slim Shady, hangs himself
from a tree by his penis, dumps
the girlfriend he's murdered in
a lake with the help of their
baby daughter, takes every drug
at once, rips "Pamela Lee's
tits off" and heads out into
the night yelling, "Too all
the people I've offended, yeah
*censored* you too!" This hard-core attitude
has won him acceptance not just
from teenagers taken with his
video but also from the hip hop
community. Later on, at Manhattan's
Sound Factory, Em will win over
a mostly black audience. He will
be greeted with indifferent stares
that will melt into smiles, then
rump-shaking abandon by the end
of his four-song set. The rapper
will top of the evening - well,
the morning by that point - entertaining
doelike women and spiky-haired
guys at the trendy mecca called
Life, where a table of model types
will be evicted so that Em and
his friends may kick back. Right about now,
though, a roomful of Staten Islanders
is going berserk. In the silence
between songs, a young girl in
the front row who's wearing a
white baby T screams, "I
love you!" Eminem walks over.
"I love you, too," he
says and bends down to give her
a hug. Big mistake. The girl lays
a kiss on his lips and sets off
the girl next to her, who tears
Eminem's head away and kisses
him full on the mouth. "Oh
shit," he laughs. "I'm
going to jail tonight!" He
launches into "Scary Movies,"
the B side to the independently
released "Bad Meets Evil"
single, and the audience raps
right along. When he sits at the
front of the stage, his pants
are pulled at and his crotch is
grabbed. "I touched his dick!"
on girl boasts to her friend. Eminem is already
a bona fide star, the type not-likely
to play a club this small again.
The only reason he is here at
all is that this date was booked
before his debut album entered
the charts at Number Two. The
demand for the record at stores
around the country was so great
the Interscope shipped more that
1 million copies - extraordinarily
rare for a first record. Eminem
has similarily conquered MTV:
Since the January release of the
wise-ass video for "My Name
Is" he has been on the network
more than Carson Daly. And now
three months later, despite the
fact that he's never headlined
for any length of time, the rapper
has been offered slots on every
summer tour except CSNY's. Eminem empties a
water bottle on the heads of the
audience, drops his pants, waves
his middle finger around, and
the show is over. He is whisked
into a waiting car through a back
alley. The police have been called
to keep things orderly as the
limo moves of into the night.
At the curb, a girl who looks
no more that fourteen shouts,
"I want to *censored* you,"
tugging suggestively at the top
of her shirt and revealing her
pierced tongue. "I want to
*censored* you, too," Eminem
says aloud to himself. "But
I won't." Eminem is a white
boy in a black medium. He has
been booed on the mic and told
repeatedly by black hip-hoppers
that he should stop rapping and
go into rock & roll. "It's
some very awkward shit,"
says Em's mentor, Dr. Dre, about
the race card. "It's like
seeing a black guy doing country
& western, know what I'm saying?"
Even Dre's judgement was suspect
when he signed Em to his Interscope
imprint, Aftermath. "I got
a couple of questions from people
around me," he says. "You
know, 'He's got blue eyes, he's
a white kid.' But I don't give
a *censored* if you're purple:
If you can kick it, I'm working
with you." Indeed, talent
will overcome, and Em is having
the last laugh. "A lot of
the people who disrespected me
are coming out of the woodwork
now for collaborations,"
he says. "But I like doing
my own shit. If there were too
many other voices, the stories
wouldn't go right." True
enough - slipping a verse into
a song about a New Wave blonde
babe nurse's aide who overdoses
on mushrooms and relieves her
father's sexual abuse, all over
a party-hearty tempo, isn't exactly
the same as freestyling on the
"Money, Cash, Hoes"
remix. For anyone expecting
more of the naughty pop-culture-obsessed
blonde kid in the clean version
of "My Name Is", proffered
on MTV, The Slim Shady LP is some
bad-trip nether world. But that
world is exactly why the hip-hop
underground loves Em. His off-the-beat
flow, way off-the-beat lyrics
and loony-tunes presentation place
him in a class by himself. Em
isn't trying to be Jay-Z, DMX,
or Tupac; he's trying to be the
Roadrunner, turning his enemies'
anvils back on themselves with
split-second trickery. He's also
probably the only MC in 1999 who
boasts low self-esteem. His rhymes
are jaw-droppingly perverse, bespeaking
a minimum-wage life devoid of
hope, flushed with rage and weaned
on sci-fi slasher flicks. And in the midst
of the splatter is Marshall Mathers.
Songs like "As The World
Turns", in which Shady "*censored*s
a divorced slut" to death
with his "go-go-gadget dick,"
are adolescent fantasies that
indicate how Em spells revenge.
But songs like "If I Had"
and "Rock Bottom" are
where the cartoons fade away,
the bravado drops and the frustrated
kid of this not-too-distant past
appears, fed up with life, dead-end
jobs adn the poverty that has
made him "mad enough to scream
but sad enough to tear." "I couldn't
even got into a mother*censored*ing
club just being Eminem, before
the video," Mathers says,
walking through Newark Airport
the day after his New York club
shows. "Last night they had
people clearing tables for me.
It's *censored*ing bananas. Scary
shit too, 'cause you can fall
just as quick as you went to the
top." He is a smallish guy
who walks with a subdued swagger.
Em is like a class clown with
a lot on his mind: When he's on,
nothing escapes the cross hairs
of his snottiness, but when he's
off, no one is included in his
thoughts. He keeps the world at
bay with humor and an ever-growing
list of character voices, including
a roguish Scotsman, a Middle Eastern
cab driver, and a sleazy lech.
He slips into these voices constantly,
even in the midst of heart-wrenching
stories about his childhood. Today
he is chipper and apparently no
worse for wear after just two
hours of sleep and no breakfast.
He is bound for his home-town
of Detroit for three days off
before heading to Mexico to perform
on MTV's Spring Break '99, then
on to Chicago for more album promotion. The rapper is no
stranger to moving around. He
and his mother shuttled between
Missouri and Michigan, rarely
staying in one house for more
than a year or two, and finally
settled down when Marshall was
eleven. It was the start of a
life full of enough screaming
fights and sordid dramas that,
at the tender age of 24, Eminem
is ready for his own Behind The
Music. But what happened depends
on whom you ask. To hear him tell
it, his life up until now has
been non-stop hard knocks, beatings
from bullies, and brawls with
his pill-popping, lawsuit-happy
mom. His mother, Debbie Mathers-Briggs,
on the other hand, denies both
of these characterizations, claiming
that her unending love and financial
support got Eminem through the
dog days. It's a story that would
make Jerry Spring salivate, but
let's just stick to the facts:
(1) Eminem has never met his father;
(2) he spent his formative years
living in a largely black lower-middle-class
Detroit neighborhood; (3) he dropped
out of high school in the ninth
grade; (4) he and his baby's mother
have been breaking up and making
up for the past eight years, and;
(5) he loves their three-year-old
daughter Hailie Jade, more than
anybody else in the world. Eminem's parents
were married, his mother says,
when she was fifteen and his father
was twenty-two. Marshall III was
born two years later. His parents
were in a band called Daddy Warbucks,
playing Ramada Inns along the
Dakota-Montana border. But their
relationship when sour. The couple
split up, and Debbie and her son
lived with family members for
a few years before settling on
the east side of Detroit. Marshall's
father moved to California. As
a teen, the future Eminem sent
his dad a few letters, all of
which, his mother claims, came
back "return to sender".
"I heard he's trying to get
in touch with me now," the
rapper says. "*censored*
that mother*censored*er, man.
*censored* him." The single mother
and her sons (Em's younger half-brother,
Nathan, was born in 1986) were
one of three white households
on their block. "I'm colorblind
- it wasn't an issue," Em's
mom says. "But the younger
people in the area gave us trouble.
Marshall got jumped a lot."
When he was sixteen, his ass was
kicked fiercely. "I was walking
home from my boy's house, through
the Bel-Air Shopping Center,"
he recalls. "All these black
dudes rode by in a car, flippin'
me off. I flipped them off back,
they drove away, and I didn't
think nothin' of it." Evidently
they parked the car. "One
dude came up, hit me in the face
and knocked me down. Then he pulled
out a gun. I ran right out my
shoes, dog. I thought that's what
they wanted." But they didn't
- when Mathers returned the next
day, his shoes were still stuck
in the mud. "That's how I
knew it was racial." Em was
saved by a white guy who pulled
over, took out a gun and drove
him home. "He came in wearing
just his socks and underwear,"
his mother says woefully. "They
had taken his jogging suit off
him, taken his boombox. They would
have taken him out, too." Eminem heard his
first rap song when he was nine
years old. It was "Reckless"
a track featuring Ice-T on the
Breakin' soundtrack, which his
Uncle Ronnie had given him. Ten
years later, when Ronnie committed
suicide, Eminem was devasted.
"I didn't talk for days,"
he says. "I couldn't even
go to the funeral." He dropped out of
high school after failing the
ninth grade for the third time.
"As soon as I turned fifteen,"
he says, "my mother was like,
'Get a *censored*ing job and help
me with these bills or your ass
is out.' Then she would *censored*ing
kick me out anyway, half the time
right after she took most of my
paycheck." His mom says none
of this is true: "A friend
told me, 'Debbie, he's saying
this stuff for publicity.' He
was always well provided for."
Either way, his salvation was
rap and the rhymes he had begun
to write. "As soon as my
mom would leave to go play bingo,
I would blast the stereo,"
he says. Soon enough he was ready
to test his skills by sneaking
into neighboring Osborne High
School with his friend and fellow
MC Proof, for lunchroom rap throw-downs.
"It was like White Men Can't
Jump," says Proof, now an
account executive for hip hop
clothier Maurice Malone. "Everybody
thought he'd be easy to beat,
and they got smoked every time." On Saturdays the
two friends went to open-mic contests
at the Hip-Hop Shop, on West 7
Mile, ground zero for the Detroit
scene. "As soon as I'd grab
the mic, I'd get booed,"
Eminem recalls. "Once mother*censored*ers
heard me rhyme, though, they'd
shut up." With four other
rappers, Em and Proof formed a
crew called the Dirty Dozen before
Em released his own album, Infinite,
on a local label in 1996 - an
effort devoid of Shady's wacked
out humor and pent-up rage. "It
was right before my daughter was
born, so having a future for her
was all I talked about,"
he says. "It was way hip-hopped
out, like Nas or AZ - that rhyme
style was real in at the time.
I've always been a smartass comedian,
and that's why it wasn't a good
album." Detroit DJs and
radio folks seemed to agree, leaving
Infinite well enough alone. "After
that record, every rhyme I wrote
got angrier and agrier,"
Eminem says. "A lot of it
was because of the feedback I
got. Mother*censored*ers was like,
"You're a white boy, what
the *censored* are you rapping
for? Why don't you go into rock
and roll? All that type of shit
started pissing me off."
It didn't help that days before
his daughter's first birthday,
Eminem got fired from his cooking
job at Gilbert's Lodge. "That
was the worst time ever, dog,"
he says. "It was like five
days before Christmas, which is
Hailie's birthday. I had, like,
forty dollars to get her something.
I wrote "Rock Bottom"
write after that." This downward spiral
ended one day on the john when
Em met Slim Shady. "Boom,
the name hit me, and right away
I thought of all these words to
rhyme with it," he says.
"So I wiped my ass, got up
off the pot and, ah, went and
called everybody I knew." Shady became Em's
vengeful gremlin, his knight in
smarmy armor, and Inspector Gadget
Incredible Hulk with a taste for
a bit of the ultra-violence. It
was high time for Em to write
some of the wrongs in his life,
and Slim Shady was just the cat
to right them. At the top of the
shit list was his grade-school
nemesis, D'Angelo Bailey. Yes,
the bully who gets it with a broomstick
in "Brain Damage" was
entirely real. "Mother*censored*er
used to beat the shit out of me,"
Eminem says. "I was in fourth
grade and he was in sixth. Everything
in the song is true: One day he
came in the bathroom, I was pissing,
and he beat the shit out of me.
Pissed all over myself. But that's
not how I got really *censored*ed
up." During recess one winter,
Em taunted a smallish friend of
Bailey's. "D'Angelo Bailey
- no one called him D'Angelo -
came running from across the yard
and hit me so hard into this snowbank
that I blacked out." Em was
sent hom, his ear started bleeding,
and he was taken to the hospital.
"He had cerebral hemorrhage
and was in and out of consciousness
for five days," his mother
reports. "The doctors had
given up on him, but I wouldn't
give up on my son." "I remember
waking up and saying, 'I can spell
elephant,'" Em recalls with
a laugh. "D'Angelo Bailey
- I'll never forget that kid." Old D'Angelo won't
forget you, either. "He was
the one we used to pick on,"
says Bailey, now married with
kids and living in Detroit. "There
was a bunch of us that used to
mess with him. You know, bully-type
things. We was having fun. Sometimes
he'd fight back - depended on
what mood he'd be in." As
for Eminem's recollection of the
event that put him in the hospital,
Bailey boasts, "Yeah, we
flipped him right on his head
at recess. When we didn't see
him moving, we took off running.
We lied and said he slipped on
the ice. He was a wild kid, but
back then we thought it was stupid.
Hey, you have his phone number?" In the spring of
1997, Eminem recorded his eight
song Slim Shady EP - the demo
that earned him his deal with
Interscope. At the time, he was
scrounging more than ever. He
and his girlfriend, Kim, had been
living with their baby in crack-infested
neighborhoods. A stray bullet
flying through the kitchen window
and lodging in the wall while
Kim was doing dishes wasn't the
worst of it - they had been adopted
by a crackhead. "The neighborhoods
we lived in *censored*ing sucked,"
Kim says. "I went through
four TVs and five VCRs in two
years." After cleaning out
the first of those TVs and VCRs,
plus a clock radio, the guy came
back one night to make a sandwich.
"He left the peanut butter,
jelly - all the shit - out and
didn't steal nothing," Em
says. "Ain't this about a
mother*censored*ing *censored*.
But then he came back again and
took everything but the couches
and beds. The pillows, clothes,
silverware - everything. We were
*censored*in' *censored*ed." The young parents
moved in with Em's mother for
a while, which wasn't much better.
"My mother did a lot of dope
and shit - a lot of pills - so
she had mood swings," Em
says. "She'd go to bed cool,
then wake up like, 'Mother*censored*ers,
get out!'" Em's mom denies
all of the above. "I've never
done drugs," she says. "Marshall
was raised in a drug and alcohol-free
enviroment." He moved in
with friends, and Kim and the
baby lived with her mother. "I
didn't have a job that whole summer,"
Em recalls. "Then we got
evicted, because my friends and
me were paying rent to the guy
on the lease, and he screwed us
over." The night before he
headed to the Rap Olympics, an
annual nationwide MC battle in
L.A., he came home to a locked
door and an eviction notice. "I
had to break in," he says.
"I didn't have anywhere else
to go. There was no heat, no water,
no electricity. I slept on the
floor, woke up, went to L.A. I
was so pissed." "Oh, my God,"
recalls Paul "Bunyan"
Rosenberg, the beefy lawyer who
manages Eminem. "There was
this black guy sitting next to
me in the crowd at the Olympics.
After the first round, he yells,
'Just give it to the white boy.
It's over. Give it to the white
boy.'" They didn't, and
Em was crushed. Not only couldhe
have used the first-place prize,
500 bucks and a Rolex, but he
wasn't used to taking second.
"He really looked like he
was going to cry," Rosenberg
says, nodding thoughtfully. Well,
Eminem lost the battle, but he
won the war. A Shady EP given
to a few Interscope staffers soon
made it into the hands of co-head
Jimmy Iovine. While Em was in
L.A., Iovine and Dr. Dre took
a listen. "In my entire career
in the music industry," Dre
says, "I have never found
anything from a demo tape of a
CD. When Jimmy played this, I
said, 'Find him. Now.'" Their first day
in the studio, the pair knocked
off "My Name Is" in
about an hour, and as much as
that song proved that Em is a
brother from another planet, they
were just warming up. "I
wrote two songs for the next album
on ecstasy," Eminem says.
"Shit about bouncing off
walls, going straight through
'em, falling down twenty stories.
Crazy. That's what we do when
I'm in the studio with Dre."
Dr. Dre on E? "Ha, ha,"
Dre laughs. "He didn't say
that! It's true, though. We get
in there, get bugged out, stay
in the studio for *censored*in'
two days. Then you're dead for
three days. Then you wake up,
pop the tape in, like, 'Let me
see what I've done.'" "Hey, turn
here," Eminem says to the
driver of the big white van currently
crunching through the snow-covered
streets of east Detroit. "Stop.
That was our house. My room was
upstairs, in the back." The
small two-story homes on the gridlike
streets are identical - square
patch of grass in the front, a
short driveway on the side - differentiable
only by their brick face or shingles.
The van turns off 8 Mile, passing
Em's high school, then the field
next to the Bel-Air Shopping Center,
where Em lost his boombox and
nearly his life. Em is looking
out of the window like a kid at
Disneyland, pointing, recalling
happy and heartbreaking memories
with equal excitement. "I
like living in Detroit, making
it my home," he says as the
van heads toward the highway.
"I like working out in L.A.,
but I wouldn't want to live there.
My little girl is here." The van pulls up
to Gilbert's Lodge, the every-food
family restaurant in suburban
St. Clair Shores where Em worked
on and off for three years. Inside
there are antler chandeliers,
a couple of appetite-suppressing
mounted moose heads and a "trophy
room," containing the jerseys
of various local teams. The restaurant's
staff scurries about, unaware
of Em, who has virtually walked
into the kitchen without being
greeted. "Yo, Pete, whassup?"
Em calls to a mustached man checking
on orders. "Hi, Marshall,"
answers his former manager, Pete
Karagiaouris. "Coming in
to buy the place?" A few
heads turn, and apron-clad folks
say quick hellos. "Hi, Marshall,"
says a forties-ish waitress with
a sticky-sweet voice and a Midwestern
accent. "You know, I watch
MTV and I never see you." "Oh, yeah?"
he replies coolly. Em takes a table
towards the back. After a very
silent twenty minutes, he stops
a passing waitress: "Can
we get some beers here?" "Yeah, but
I need to see your ID," she
says. "I don't have my wallet with me, but I
used to work here - ask Pete.
I'm over twenty-one." Less than twenty-four
hours ago, in Staten Island, security
guards had kept a frothing crowd
from tearing Em to shreds while
he earned five grand for rapping
four songs. In his own hometown,
in the place he spent forty to
sixty hours a week for three years,
he's a stranger, and one without
silverware, water or a menu. Either
Gilbert's issued a memo about
keeping Em real or the staff is
having trouble coming to terms
with Marshall's success. "Why
did that *censored* have to say
that?" he says about the
MTV jab. "*censored*ing *censored*.
I never liked her." It's
a theme he returns to for the
rest of the night. Em's shot of
Bacardi arrives; he slams it,
gets another and goes off to talk
to the Gilbert's former co-workers.
"Man, everything can be going
so right," Rosenberg says,
sipping his beer. "But a
comment like that will stick with
him for days. This is his reality
- he came from this, and after
everything is over, this is the
reality he has to go back to." The manager heads
over, offering to make Eminem
a special garlic-chicken pizza.
"He was a good worker,"
Karagiaouris recalls. "But
he'd be in the back rapping all
the orders, and sometimes I had
to tell him to tone it down."
Em demonstrates, freestyling the
ingredients of most of the appetizers
in his herky-jerky whine. "Music
was always the most important
thing to him," Karagiaouris
says. "But I never knew if
he was any good at it - I listen
to Greek music." "You know what,
Paulie?" Em says, smiling
mischeviously. "I want to
do a clothing line. Fat *censored*
Clothing, for the Big Pun in you.
What do you think?" It's getting late,
and Eminem's daughter is waiting
for him. He has four days here
at home to spend with her and
her mother. The van winds back
to Detroit, stopping at a modest
home. Kim, a pretty blonde, hops
in holding Hailie, a groggy but
smiley blue-eyed beauty who immediately
dives onto Em's lap and wraps
her arms around his neck. The
van whisks off, Hailie falls back
to sleep, and Em tells Kim about
the New York shows. Forty minutes
later, the van turns into the
trailer park - more of a village,
really - that Em calls home. "After
I got my record deal, my mother
moved back to Kansas City,"
he says. "I took over the
payments on her trailer, but I'm
never here." Indeed, the
eviction notice on the door is
proof enough. "Don't worry,
we took care of that one,"
Rosenberg says as Em rips it off
and goes inside. The double-wide
mobile home houses Eminem's possessions,
which, after all the robberies
and the moving around, have been
acquired in the last six months.
An autographed glossy of Dre that
reads, "Thanks for the support,
asshole" (mirroring Shady's
autograph in "My Name Is")
is on the wall, as is the album
art from the Shady EP. Above the
TV are two shots of Em and Dre
from the video shoot, along with
pictures of Hailie. A small rack
holds CDs by 2Pac, Mase, Babyface,
Luther Vandross, Esthero and Snoop
Dogg. A baby couch for Hailie
sits in front of the TV. On a
wall near the kitchen is a flyer
titled "Commitments for Parents,"
which lists directives like "I
will give my child space to grow,
dream, succeed and sometimes fail." Hailie settles down
on the floor with a stuffed polar
bear as Kim prepares her for bed.
The couple are happy to see each
other tonight, but songs like
"'97 Bonnie and Clyde"
make it clear that times are not
always this tranquil. Their relationship
has been volatile - all the more
so since their daughter's birth.
At one point two years ago, when
they were on the outs and dating
other people, Kim, according to
Eminem, made it difficult for
him to see his daughter and even
threatenend to file a restraining
order. Em wrote "Just the
Two of Us" on the Shady EP,
to tell the tale of a father killing
his baby's mother and cleaning
up the mess with the help of his
daughter: "Here, you wanna
help Dada tie a rope around this
rock?/Then we'll tie it to her
footsie, then we'll roll her off
the dock/Here we go, count of
three. One, two, three, wee!/There
goes Mama, splashing in the water/No
more fighting with Dad, no more
restraining order." The original had
a slightly different beat and
a less monied production that
"'97 Bonnie and Clyde,"
the version on the Interscope
album, but on the Shady LP, Hailie
chillingly plays herself (she
is also on the album cover and
liner notes). "I lied to
Kim and told her I was taking
her to Chuck E. Cheese that day,"
Em recalls. "But I took her
to the studio. When she found
out I used our daughter to write
a song about killer her, she *censored*ing
blew. We had just got back together
for a couple of weeks. Then I
played her the song, and she bugged
the *censored* out." Kim declines to
comment on that song or any of
the others about her, including
a track slated for Em's next album
called "Kim." The song
is the prelude to "'97 Bonnie
and Clyde," with Em acting
out the screaming fight that ends
in murder. Em has played it for
her already and claims that now
she is truly convinced that he
is insane. "If I was her,
I would have ran when I heard
that shit," Dre says. "It's
over the top - the whole song
is him screaming. It's good, though.
Kim gives him a concept." Em's friend Proof
has been around the couple from
the beginning. "This is what
I love about Em," he says.
"One time we came home and
Kim had thrown all his clothes
on the lawn - which was, like,
two pairs of pants and some gym
shoes. So we stayed at my grandmother's,
and Em's like 'I'm leaving her;
I'm never going back.' Next day,
he's back with her. The love they
got is so genuine, it's ridiculous.
He gonna end up marrying her.
But there's always gonna be conflict
there." Em says Hailie has
heard his record and loves it,
but he knows she's too young still
to get much more than the beats.
"When she gets old enough,
I'm going to explain it to her,"
Em says. "I'll let her know
that Mommy and Daddy weren't getting
along at the time. None of it
was to be taken literally."
He shakes his head ruefully. "Although
at the time, I wanted to *censored*ing
do it." Em is the first to
admit that he's got a bad temper,
which he has harnessed into a
career. "My thoughts are
so *censored*ing evil when I'm
writing shit," he says. "If
I'm mad at my girl, I'm gonna
sit down and write the most misogynistic
*censored*ing rhyme in the world.
It's not how I feel in general,
it's how I feel at that moment.
Like say today, earlier, I might
think something like, 'Coming
through the airport sluggish,
walking on crutches, hit a pregnant
*censored* in the stomach with
luggage.'" Slim Shady is Marshall
Mathers' way of taking revenge
on the world, and he's also a
defense mechanism. On the one
hand, a lot of Slim Shady's cartoonish
fantasies are offensive; on the
other, they're better than Mathers
re-creating the kind of abuse
the world heaped upon him growing
up. "I dealt with a lot of
shit coming up, a lot of shit,"
he says. "When it's like
that, you learn to live day by
day. When all this happened, I
took a deep breath, just like,
"I did it.'" The magnitude
of what he's done in such a short
time doesn't seem to have sunk
in. Em hasn't sipped the bubbly
or smelled the roses - and if
he allots time for that in the
next few months, it will have
to be at the drive-through. As
for the future, he won't even
wager a guess. "If he remains
the same person that walked into
the studio with me that first
day, he will be *censored*ing
larger than Michael Jackson,"
says a confident Dre. "There
are a lot of ifs and buts, but
my man, he's dope and very humble."
As Eminem closes the door, with
Hailie's blanket in his hands,
he looks humble, a little tired
and pretty happy. For now.