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by **markb1** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:36 pm

ELEPHANT MAN wrote:i dont like that type of music tbh,
closest to that i like is nirvana and they was soft compared to metallica,
just 2 much shouting imo

see i think nirvana are shit,depress the fuck out of me.

but thats the point im making,we all have different tastes.

by **ELEPHANT MAN** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:53 pm

oh yeah they are depressing,no doubt about that lol,
but damn kurt knew how to write a tune

by **markb1** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:31 pm

ELEPHANT MAN wrote:oh yeah they are depressing,no doubt about that lol,
but damn kurt knew how to write a tune

i respect kurt kobain for killing himself,unlike all these whiney fuckers who winge about how hard life is and depressed they are,kobain actually done something about it,takes balls that.

by **Shenron** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:05 am

respect for killing yourself ? :shock:

admitedly i know pretty much nothing about kurt cobain but people who kill themselves are usually pussies

by **ELEPHANT MAN** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:01 pm

i wouldnt say all people who kill themselves are pussies,
people have mental health for instance
people who lose some1 they love cant take life without them
and people who are in terrible situations

cobain was a seriously bad heroin addict who hated himself for being that,
he couldnt take waking up each day being that way so he done that 2 himself,
sad but sometimes people prefer death

by **Shenron** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:03 pm

suicide is just cowardly if u ask me... maybe in some circumstances its understandable. but a rich and famous rockstar ? i can think of worse lives to live..

by **markb1** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:58 pm

Shenron wrote:respect for killing yourself ?

admitedly i know pretty much nothing about kurt cobain but people who kill themselves are usually pussies

as ive never suffered with depression or have never felt low enough to even consider harming myself,ill hold judgment on whether killing your self is for pussies or not.

what i meant by the staement was though,bands like nirvana and cobain in paticular were very depressing,always either talking about or singing about suicide/death and how hard life is,and how as entertainers their crucified and tormented on a daily basis.

as harsh as it sounds,at least cobain dne something about it instead og whining about it constantly.

he would have been better off trying to sort his head out admittedly,but at least he done something.

i respect that.

by **ELEPHANT MAN** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:05 pm

kurt didnt want fame he hated it,
when nevermind came out and went HUGEEEEE kurt was sleeping in his car,
3 of his uncles killed themselves,
he was depressed way before fame and money didnt change him,
he had a little daughter who he loved but he couldnt beat the heroin simple as that,

RIP

by **Shenron** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:10 pm

if he had a daughter and he couldnt find any reason to live then he was a coward. not only that but an asshole for not thinking about his child/ren

by **ELEPHANT MAN** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:18 pm

yeah thats easy for u 2 say though isnt it,
u aint been taking huge amounts of heroin for years have u?
he used to have heroin and cocaine mixed together and call em screwballs lol
in his mind he did it 2 help his daughter he didnt want her seeing him an absolute wreck,
u cant just turn off depression and self hate just cus u have a family

by **Shenron** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:25 pm

i know somebody who has overcome cocaine addiction, aswell as sexual abuse as a child and she did it with dignity and she's an inspiration if you ask me :bang:

kurt cobain = coward

by **ELEPHANT MAN** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:39 pm

well not everyone can,or want to
people kill themselves every day,as i said not everyone loves this world

by **Shenron** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:41 pm

what im saying is though is that you cant kill yourself for the good of your young daughter :shock:

and if u cant find a reason to live in your daughter then you're a worthless human being

truth.

by **ELEPHANT MAN** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:47 pm

most people who kill themselves have family/children,
i wouldnt call sum1 who kills themselves cowards,
its there choice and it takes some serious balls to do it,
when a man has everything u can imagine and still blows his own head off theres some serious issues there,
i aint saying its right but go find out what kurts daughter thinks of him,
it certainly aint a coward,
same applies to elvis,big pun they slowly committed suicide by binging on shit,they had plenty of warnings and they had families but not everyone can overcome serious problems,
the ones who do tho thats great for them

by **Shenron** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:49 pm

elvis commited suicide ? this discussion is getting silly. lol

my perspective on this is that most people who commit suicide (unless they are ill or something) are cowards

by **ELEPHANT MAN** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:52 pm

ELEPHANT MAN wrote:most people who kill themselves have family/children,
i wouldnt call sum1 who kills themselves cowards,
its there choice and it takes some serious balls to do it,
when a man has everything u can imagine and still blows his own head off theres some serious issues there,
i aint saying its right but go find out what kurts daughter thinks of him,
it certainly aint a coward,
same applies to elvis,big pun they slowly committed suicide by binging on shit,they had plenty of warnings and they had families but not everyone can overcome serious problems,
the ones who do tho thats great for them

over 15 years of warnings to stop binging on food and excessive drug taking yes he slowly was

by **ELEPHANT MAN** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:53 pm

Shenron wrote:elvis commited suicide ? this discussion is getting silly. lol

my perspective on this is that most people who commit suicide (unless they are ill or something) are cowards

isnt bipolar an illness?

by **Shenron** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:55 pm

suicide

1 a: the act or an instance of taking one's own life voluntarily[b] and intentionally especially by a person of years of discretion and of sound mind

another definition

1. The act or an instance of intentionally killing oneself.

you need to intend through your actions to die, not be reckless

by **Shenron** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:57 pm

ELEPHANT MAN wrote:
Shenron wrote:elvis commited suicide ? this discussion is getting silly. lol

my perspective on this is that most people who commit suicide (unless they are ill or something) are cowards

isnt bipolar an illness?

i meant a terminal illness, that certain countries would justify suicide

by **ELEPHANT MAN** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:01 pm

but if a dr tells u if u dont lose 200lbs in 6 months u will be dead and u ignore him and carry on dude still doesnt care about dying does he,
thats what happened to pun he dint really care in the end
but thanks for the explanation i wont ever use that saying again

by **Shenron** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:04 pm

nah thats not suicide. suicide is an act of intention not recklessness

imagine the tedium when i had to write an essay of this in my law exam ... it was thrilling i assure you :shock:

by **ELEPHANT MAN** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:08 pm

yes i get u,
if people commit suicide its up 2 them really whether they being selfish or not i dunno why some people do it and i wish kurt never did it,
but on another subject u no this forum is in a bad way when its me and u talking about suicide in the album review section lol

by **Shenron** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:11 pm

very true... this forum would be blank if it werent for me and u talking about nonsense for hours though lets face it

by **ELEPHANT MAN** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:16 pm

Shenron wrote::rofl: very true... this forum would be blank if it werent for me and u talking about nonsense for hours though lets face it

i know
we keep this forum going :cool:

more people need to step there game up :bang:

hopefully people acknowledge our effort lol

by **Shenron** on Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:18 pm

lol there is nobody else to appreciate our effort

we've had alot of new members sign up and be active though, it wasnt this good before... only back in early 07/late 06

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