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JA RULE INTERVIEW ON: 4th November 2003

Yesterday, the streets were watching as Ja Rule sat down to caucus with the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakan about his ongoing beef with 50 Cent. Today, after viewing the special which aired both on MTV2 and BET, many hip-hop fans have mixed opinions on Ja Rule and whether he's truly ready to build bridges or is simply manipulating the situation to promote his new album.

In the following transcript of the interview provided by Def Jam Records, Ja reveals the pain of his childhood and his love of God as he talks with the Muslim leader about the rap battle that has torn him to and fro.....

REV. FARRAKHAN: First, Ja, I want to welcome you to your home away from home.

JA RULE: [Laughs] Thank you, thank you

REV. FARRAKHAN: Thank you for coming in.

JA RULE: Thanks for having me.

REV. FARRAKHAN: And thank Irv for arranging it.

JA RULE: Yes. Yeah.

REV. FARRAKHAN: I really, really appreciate you and how God has used you to affect so many millions of our young people. Could you tell me something about our growing up? I heard that, that you were an only child.

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Dad was not in the house.

JA RULE: Not in the house.

REV. FARRAKHAN: So you were reared totally by Mom?

JA RULE: Yeah.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Tell me, tell me about your young life.

JA RULE: Well, I had a, a kind of hard childhood but not crazy. See, it, it is crazy because a lot of people are not going to understand it. I grew up a Jehovah's Witness.


JA RULE: So [Laughs] we going to get into...

REV. FARRAKHAN: That's wonderful. Go ahead, brother.

JA RULE: [Laughs] We're going to get into how, how, you know, how I didn't, I didn't have Christmas. I didn't have birthdays. I didn't have none of that type of things that the kids enjoy as, as kids.


JA RULE: And so I missed all of that. My father wasn't around. He was a womanizer. And he hit my mom. Mom. I'm putting this out there. Yeah, you know, he hit my mom. That's why I vow I'll never hit a woman. Ever, ever, ever hit a woman because I see the pain it brought my mother.

REV. FARRAKHAN: And up to this time you are married.

JA RULE: I'm married.

REV. FARRAKHAN: You have children.

JA RULE: I have three children.

REV. FARRAKHAN: And you never hit your wife.

JA RULE: I never hit my wife.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Ah, that's wonderful, brother.

JA RULE: You know, I, I grew up an only child and actually I did have a sister but she died when I was five and she was younger than me. So you can imagine I, I really, you know, I didn't cry or anything, you know. Really didn't know the meaning of death.

REV. FARRAKHAN: What did she die from?

JA RULE: Respiratory problems. Yeah.


JA RULE: Couldn't breathe properly.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Mm-hmm. How did that affect you?

JA RULE: See, that's what I'm saying. That really didn't have an affect on me till I was older because I didn't understand it. You know, I was young. I was about four or five so, you know, my mom comes home and she tells me, "You know, your sister's not going to make it." You know, I'm really like - don't understand it. I, you know, I'm like, well, you know, where's the next toy, you know? It, it didn't register...

REV. FARRAKHAN: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

JA RULE: ...until I was a little bit older and, and I started to understand like I don't have a sister that I, that I had that was here and I, and I could of grew up with here, whatever, whatever. So that was, that was tough on me. And, and my father, he was, he wasn't there. And it was just me and my mom and she worked two jobs trying to, you know, trying to raise me. And that was tough because she worked the four-to-12 shift.


JA RULE: So I'd come home from school and nobody's home. So now it's like on my own. So that's why I kind of feel like the street's raised me, you know, because the older guys around. We always lived around older guys. That's all that was around me. And they kind of, you know...

REV. FARRAKHAN: How did you relate in school with your classmates and your teachers? You grew up in, in Queens?

JA RULE: In Queens. Yeah.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Yeah. Was it an all black school?

JA RULE: My first, the first school I went to was, it was an all black school. It was 134. I used to fight every day so they, I got thrown out. And then my mom figured it would be better if I went to, if they bussed me out, you know. I know you know about the bus thing in Boston. [Laughs]


JA RULE: But they bused me on out to a white school, 172. Well, it was a little bit better for me there. I didn't have no black friends now so I had to kind of learn how to deal with that situation, you know.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Did you fight a lot at the new school?

JA RULE: No, because there I was tougher. I was the black kid, so they kind of looked at me as the tough kid. Even though I was small, where I used get into fights in the black school every day because I was smaller, at the white school I was black.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Did you feel, Ja, somewhat abandoned because Dad wasn't there and Mom had to work real hard to support you and...

JA RULE: A little bit.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...rear you?

JA RULE: I always felt like a loner because I was by myself a lot. My grandma helped out tremendously.


JA RULE: My grandmother and my grandfather, you know. The Cherrys [Phonetic]. [Laughs] Ed and Mama Cherry [Phonetic], they helped out a lot and they did a lot for me as a young, youngster but here's where that got twisted. Being a Jehovah's Witness is very strict religion. And...


JA RULE: ...they got such a thing that's called you could get disfellowshipped...


JA RULE: ...or disassociated...


JA RULE: ...if you do something outside of what they believe.


JA RULE: Now, they believe a lot, have a lot of, you know, beliefs that are just hard on kids, hard on human beings. You know? You can't hang with worldly people, meaning people who are not Jehovah's Witnesses.

REV. FARRAKHAN: [Interposing] I understand. Mm-hmm.

JA RULE: So my mom got disfellowshipped because she liked to go out with co-workers and have a drink or two or whatever. And they found this out and disfellowshipped my mom. And like this devastated my mother because the whole congregation stopped speaking to her. And that's how they do it. You're not, no one's allowed to speak to you when you're, you'redisfellowshipped. It's like you're banished.


JA RULE: Not even your family.


JA RULE: So now my grandmother, my grandfather, her parents, didn't speak to her, her brother, no one...

REV. FARRAKHAN: Now, the whole family were, were Jehovah's Witness.

JA RULE: Right. They're not speaking to my mother.


JA RULE: And this, this really like made me hate the religion because I said, "Like, how could a religion tear apart a family?" And I, I didn't, I didn't involve with that. Like I don't feel that. Because now that I'm successful everybody speaks, "He's still disfellowshipped," but everybody comes around now. And, and I said, "You know what? If it took my success to bring my family back together, then so be it." I'm not going to be the one to say, "Oh, stay away now!"


JA RULE: Because I love to see my family together. Like that's what life is about. It's about family.


JA RULE: So I'm, I'm happy now that, you know, my mother's brother give her a call every now and then. It, it cringes the soul a little bit why, you know, everybody is so friendly. And I'm not going to say it's just because I'm successful but that has something to do with it.

REV. FARRAKHAN: This is very, very revealing because, brother, we're all a product of that which God has put within and what the environment helps to shape and mold us. And this helps me to see the man that I've heard about, that I've read about, that I've listened to that is a powerful human being. Ja. Ja Rule. And the fact that you would take a name is significant to me, that it, in spite of a negative experience with what we call organized religion...

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...it never took you away from feeling a need for a relationship with the Creator of all this magnificence...

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...that we see, that we call universe.

JA RULE: I'd never even thought of it like that. The way you just put it to me, I never seen it that way. Like, you know, because I've, like ever since those times when my mother, those early times of religion, I don't deal with religion but I love God.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's, that's, that's magnificently said, Ja, because the Creator, by whatever name we call Him, is not only the author of your life but He's the author of your gift.

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: And He's the author of the hearts and minds of the millions that He really has blessed you to touch. And you touch them naturally from the position of the street...

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...from which you grew. Ja may not be all that Ja could be and 50 may not be all that 50 could be, but when a person knows what God's intention was when He created, I look beyond what is presented. And the Scripture says it like this. "Ye are all God's children of the most high God." So you can look at yourself as a human being in the image of God...

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...as a God. A little God.

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.


JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: And the power that God has blessed you to wield over people, when you can come in a room and people stand and you say words and they go off, that's power. That's influence. That's God. 50 has that same kind of juice. He's different from you. He may have grown up different than you. But at the same time, God says in the Qu'ran, "I created you..."

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...from a single essence. And I created your mate of the same kind and from you too I created many men and women. So 50's root is God and mother, your father, all of us, our root is God. But what kind of life have we been living...


REV. FARRAKHAN: ...under the rule of our oppressor? See? The oppressor. The Bible says we are born in sin and shaped in iniquity. Tell me how did this beef get started with you and, and brother 50?

JA RULE: I think it started with a video shoot that I did on Jamaica Avenue. We're all from the same neighborhood and everybody in the neighborhood kind of knew that [Unintelligible] was on the brink of doing big things. And he was an artist at the time. I, I think he was, he was with Jam Master Jay or whatever. And we knew Jay as well. So it was kind of a situation where like he wanted to kind of be in or kind of be involved but didn't know how to go about it. And I think when he seen how much love we was receiving on the Ave from all of the people where - you know, because this is our neighborhood. Like we're both from the same neighborhood. So, you know, the whole Southside's there, Hollis is there, Laurelton, like, I mean, the whole Queens is on Jamaica Avenue for this video shoot. And it was like, it was, it was, it was monumental even though the video didn't get played [Laughs] like that. [Laughs] It was still a great video. And I think he didn't like the fact that I was getting so much love and [Inaudible] why? I didn't even know the dude. Didn't know him. You know, didn't have any confrontation with him before this. But as the legend would have it, he supposedly had spoke to me and said, "What's up?" or whatever and I hit him with a, "Aight, what's up?" And for him that wasn't good enough or something. I don't know what it was. But anyway, he came out with the intent to, "I'm going to use other rappers, big rappers' names and try to diss them or downplay them so people can pay attention to me." Which was a great plan. But now all's your doing is creating hatred for yourself from other artists. And when he made the record about me, I didn't, I didn't think it was funny. Like I didn't, I didn't think it was cool. You know, I didn't think, I didn't - now, he had made two records at the time. One was called "How to Rob" and he was talking about how he was rob all the rappers in the industry. It was a jokey kind of record but a lot of people took offense to it. My name wasn't mentioned in that record. It was another record that he made called "Murder, I Don't Believe You" or something like that that set my whole thing spinning. And when we had a chance to, to see each other it was immediate brawl confrontation because we just don't like each other. I didn't start this. And I, I'm an artist that really went out there and, and, and made my records and then said to myself, "What can I do to elevate myself and do music? People started making more records that had more feeling. All, all the artists came into that. Started more records with feeling. Started making more records about different aspects of life besides the criminal aspect. And this is where this whole hatred for me just really started from him and, and started to, you know, trickle down. So I guess when he got his record deal or whatever he felt it his duty to call my name, disrespect what I'm doing, which is crazy.

REV. FARRAKHAN: At some point I heard that someone robbed you of some of your jewelry?

JA RULE: That's a false story.That's a, that's a story he made up. If someone did some harm to you, you don't get mad at the person with them. He has nothing to do with it. He's just a bypasser on or an innocent bystander. Wrong place, wrong time. It's him that I have the problem with.


JA RULE: So I didn't, I never got that story and, and people eat it up and they love it because it's, you know, it is what it is and the media eats all these stories up. But I never really got that story. Like why would I be mad at you if your man robbed me? Like I'm going to get your man, be hollering at your man. Not you. It was really no beef with me with him. It was always him with me. You understand? And then when I come back now and say I don't like him for this, this, that and the reason and, you know, people say, "Oh, you know, now it's getting out of hand." But he already said his peace. He already came out and spoke largely about how he feels of, of Murder, Inc. I was kind of upset at the fact that the people were receptive to this, these things he was saying. You know, I, I really didn't think it was going to be that serious until it started to get, get this way, you know, and then I said to myself, "You know what? I need to make some records because I see it's a lot of ignorance. That people don't, they're not getting this.They're not, they're not getting the fact that these two men have a real problem and it's not about records. But since he made it about records, that's all the people see is, is, is the music.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Have you ever had contact with 50 other than through music?

JA RULE: Yeah. We, we, we fought in Atlanta.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Actual, an actual fight?

JA RULE: Yeah. Yeah. We, we fought in Atlanta. We fought in New York, in Hit Factory. So we, we've had our, we've had our [Laughs], our altercations.

REV. FARRAKHAN: But what was it over when, when you fought?

JA RULE: Uh, the first time we fought it was over the record. It was over the, the record he made or whatever, the "Murder, Murder" record. A mutual friend of ours stepped in and, and seen me in Atlanta and said, "You know, 50, you know, he, he, he, it's just a record. He, you know, he didn't really mean nothing by the record. You know, Ja, talk to him. Will you talk to him for me?" And so I said, "Okay. You know, I'll, I'll do that. I'll talk to him for you." You know, we, we, we have mutual friends involved and I'm a bigger man and I can, I can go in and, and holla. Let's holla. So we get face-to-face and we talk. During the talk, that's when it all came into play. I get mad quick and, and go off at the handle quick. So I, I, you know, I got mad and I started letting him know how I feel. Like, "I don't, I don't like you and I don't think what you're doing is real, you know, I don't think what you're doing is real." You know, we, we come out and you make your records and you sell your records. That's how it is. And if you catch a beef then you handle that. But you don't come into it with dissing this dude and dissing that dude and, yeah I'll - so I, I let him know that. Like I didn't, I wasn't feeling his whole style. And so he punched me. He snuffed me. So as he snuffed me, boom! I caught him back. And now the fight is for real all over the place. We, we throwing down. We throwing down the thing. But, see, I felt the disrespect because our mutual friend pitted us to talk so you just violated the talk when you struck. And once that ensued, or whatever, that's when the real, real beef started because now it's a physical thing. We get back to New York City and again we're in Hit Factory and I hear from a mutual friend that he's upstairs, in a studio upstairs. And me being the enraged guy that I was that evening, I, I took it upon myself to go pay him a visit upstairs. And we got it on again in there. And it got a little violent. You know...

REV. FARRAKHAN: What I see, my brother, is this is bigger than Ja Rule and 50 Cent. Two artists whom God has blessed with magnificent talent, you just can't touch all the people in the world that you both have touched and not have something very special. 50 Cent has it. You have it. Jay-Z has it. Snoop has it. So many of the brothers and sisters in hip-hop are gifted by God with this tremendous gift. And I know, Ja, as a young man I used to be a calypso singer.

JA RULE: Okay. [Laughs]

REV. FARRAKHAN: And in calypso you rhyme.

JA RULE: Right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: And there comes a time in calypso when you go to war to see who's going to be the king of calypso.

JA RULE: Right. Right, right, right, right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: And it's based on who can stand up and rhyme but make the other fellow look bad...

JA RULE: Right, right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...in the rhyme and whoever rhymes the best and ranks over the over man...

JA RULE: Right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...the best and gets the crowd on their side becomes the king...

JA RULE: Right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...of calypso.

JA RULE: Right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: But it never reached the point where we became violent with one another or it struck the type of chord that was so divisive...

JA RULE: Right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...that, that the fans would then take up the beef with each other.

JA RULE: Right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: And so what I see, Ja, is that there's something afoot that I think we need to try and look to see if there's a bigger picture. Now, you and 50 may have genuine dislike for one another for whatever the reason. But you're both artists and you both touch millions of people and you both affect people in a way that your disagreement with 50 and his disagreement with you could ignite something that has the potential of becoming so violent that even hip-hop itself seems threatened by two giants going at each other not just in lyrics, not just in words but it's coming down now to should one or both end up like Tupac and Biggie...Now, I realize that hip-hop is being threatened today. It's bigger than Ja Rule, it's bigger than Eminem, it's bigger than Dr. Dre or 50. Hip-hop is being threatened right now. Why? See, the media takes the beef between you and 50 and they play it.

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: They jam it. They keep it going. Why? Why would they keep something going that will produce, could produce bloodshed? Why would they here, Ja, and this is what I want you and 50 and our hip-hop brothers and sisters to see.

JA RULE: When I first heard the records about me and with 50 with the record, I says, "You know what? I'm not - come on. I'm bigger than that and I ain't thinking about that, and let's continue this way, what we're doing as black men." But then the public started to give me ridicule...


JA RULE: ...because they, I guess they were feeling like, "Since you're not saying anything, you're scared." You understand what I'm saying? Like that's, that was the, that was the, the overall premise. It's like, "Oh, if he don't say nothing back then he must be scared of that nigga 50 then." I don't care about that, you understand?

REV. FARRAKHAN: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what?

JA RULE: And that's what makes you...

REV. FARRAKHAN: [Interposing] But they were giving you, Ja, an opportunity to teach. See, you're more than just a rapper. Do you, do you realize, Ja, that the children that go to school, they ain't learning their lessons.

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: But whatever you say, whatever 50 say, whatever JAY-Z, JAY-Z says or Cube or any of the rappers, they got that down. They memorized that.

JA RULE: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: So you are more than a hip-hop artist. You become a teacher through your rap.

JA RULE: Right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: So when the public starts calling for a fight, because that's the way we grew up...

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: "Oh, you see he dissed you, man!"

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: "You ain't going to say nothing? You a punk!" See, when, when they come like that, how do you respond? You know, whenever we fought in school, none of our people ever tried to stop the fight.

JA RULE: Right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: They all put us in a circle...

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: And they wanted to see who was going to win.

JA RULE: Right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: From childhood now, this is playing out in hip-hop, in gang warfare, in turf conflict. Tell me, Ja, how do you view the public clamor if you don't clap back? What, what, what do you feel from the public right now?

JA RULE: They're not going to respect me. If I don't, like, because, you know, we really went through this. Like I'm a dude, like, you know, whatever. You're over there doing it because I don't... all the things he's saying, it's just talk, you know, it's, it's sticks and stones. You know, they don't break my bones. That old, that old cliché. But when the public gets involved and they're saying, "Well, Ja, if you ain't saying nothing then you must be scared," or, or, or, "50 got you shook or whatever," then it's like, "Are y'all serious? Okay. Then let me go and do what I do so y'all understand." Because it's easy for me to make "clap backs" and, and, and those kind of records. Like it's nothing for me to, to, to lyrically assault 50. It's easy. But the public makes it so that we have to keep assaulting each other and, and they, they're not giving us a, a room to say, "Well, you know, I'm not thinking about him and I'm not thinking about him." They're not giving us that space.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Okay. Now because the public is almost demanding from you a response to what you say 50 has said...

JA RULE: Well, before I say that, I just want to say there were other reasons why I didn't respond earlier as well, because I wanted to respond. Like hip-hop is a culture that if you are a hip-hop artist and you rap and, and you, you in this game, you feel you're the best. Of course I feel I'm the best. So if anybody says anything foul or disrespectful against Ja Rule, Irv Gotti, Murder Inc., Ashanti, anybody, I'm going to go and attack and get them and let them know, "Don't say that about our family." Because that's how hip-hop was brought up, you know, on the beef. The whole, you know, like you said, the dozens thing. But it got outside of that. Sometimes the public, they don't let you go out and try to reach your full potential.


JA RULE: They want you to stay 'hood.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Okay. Now, Ja.There's several lessons in what I'm hearing. Either we follow the public or we lead and teach the public. The public has an appetite for the beef. They love it.

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Now we have to get them to have an appetite for something that's better than the destruction of one another. Now, what I failed to say earlier, Ja, is what I see coming. There's a war being planned against Black youth and Hispanic youth in particular because of the nature of what is going on inside the streets of America. Now, the danger here, all of the young men that I saw on that beef, you have guns now. Everybody has a posse. All the posses are armed. We don't make no arms but arms are in the black community.

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: We don't grow no drugs but the drugs permeate the black community. And when hip-hop says that we are thugs, we've come up out of the street and now we've learned to rap, which is a tremendous art form, but the hug that's in us, now the enemy of all of us is watching. See, now a war is about to come down on the hip-hop community. This is what God has allowed me to see. The government has started now investigating Irv Gotti.

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: And Murder, Inc.It ain't stopping there. They want to see if they can link you to that which allows them to use their court system against the leadership to wipe that out. But that ain't it. After they knock off the head, then they got to deal with the youth that's in the street...

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...that have these guns and are macho, this kind of mentality that is like, "I'll kill you."

JA RULE: Right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: And you seen the brother on the thing doing this.

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: But when the rulers see this, they say, "We got to take back our streets." And it's this hip-hop culture that got the children upset, militant, even savage in the brutality that we are willing to inflict on one another because now the beefs have become such that, "I hate you. You hate me. And the next time we see each other we going to throw down." But if you and 50 throw down it goes all the way down into the streets. Now, the government is watching this. Now, what I see is to kill 50 - now, somebody intended to kill that brother. You don't shoot somebody nine times for them to come up out of that.

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: So if he in his popularity now is wiped out and they can even subtly suggest that you did it or your people did it, then those that love 50 turn their guns on Ja. Now, this has to end at some point and we educate the public, "Don't call for Ja to clap back at 50 and 50 to clap back at Ja." When we lose Biggie and Tupac or we lose Ja and 50 and then we go to scrapping in the street, our mothers cry out to the government, "Bring the National Guard in the 'hood because they're killing our babies." What's happening is war is coming down on our youth. And that's why I went throughout the country, Ja, talking about stop the killing.

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Then I had men- only meetings leading to the Million Man March.

JA RULE: Right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: But a whole 10 years now have passed. A whole new generation coming up. When we squashed the beef between East and West by the grace of God, a new generation has come up and you represent and 50 represent that new generation of hip-hop. I never want to see anything happen to you, Ja, and I never want to see nothing happen to 50. I want to see peace. And yeah, if you want to diss each other in the culture, that's fine. But once we draw, go past the line, when we're talking about killing one another, see, once you say that in, in a, in a rap and they print it and put it out and that person is killed, the person who said it becomes the first person they come after. Now, you know, you had a motive. 50 had a motive because he been shot nine times. You got a motive because he dissed you in the public. So any one of you that go down, the next one that goes is the one that's left. When Malcolm went down, Elijah Mohammed was the one that they really wanted so they killed two birds with one stone and darn near destroyed the nation.


REV. FARRAKHAN: See? So if the two of you go at each other, then hip-hop now is threatened because you can't go on the road because the, the, the promoters are saying, "Look, we want to promote them but, man, we, if we let them in the venue we got to have all kind of insurance." All these kind of things stop the money from flowing. So there are those at the top who say, "We got to stop this because it's injuring our money." But it's bigger than money because the boys at the top want their children back.

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: And the only way they can get their children back is to kill hip-hop as a force. You are the guns. You are the, the, the muscle. You are the soldiers of a new idea, a new mind, a new spirit.

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: And that is what is threatening. So the government, just like you saw in Tiananmen Square in China...

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...when they brought the tanks out...

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...against their own people...

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: That's what they're planning right now, for our young brothers and sisters who are unaware - they think, "Man, this cat dissed me. I'll pull out my stuff and deal with him," but it's bigger than that, man.

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: They want to destroy this whole thing. You know, Jesus did a lot of good work, a lot of good work but the enemies of Jesus felt that He was a threat to Roman authority. The propaganda went to work on Jesus. And when they finally brought Him into court, the same people just a few days earlier that were cheering Him...

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...saying, "Hosanna in the highest," the same people turned and said, "Crucify Him." That's how fickle sometime the public can be. You're down this minute. You're up the next.

JA RULE: That's how I feel.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Yeah. But, but now, Ja, you can overcome that. See, if you let the public dictate and you continue to follow that, the end result will be death, destruction. 50 and you and me and us, we got to sit down at a common table and work out the way hip-hop is going on the next level. The grave is where we are right now. I'm talking about mentally.

JA RULE: Mentally.

REV. FARRAKHAN: See? But we got to come up out of that. And the power to come up out of that is the wisdom that you gain as a result of an increase in knowledge and understanding. And then you feed that gently into your lyric so the public say, "No, man. I'm glad Ja taught me better because I was about to thrown down and kill my brother." Like you said, "I don't like 50," and 50 said, "I don't like Ja." So here's a, a battle now, but it's going from words to the gun. And that we have to stop. Your career does not depend on the public clamor. You think that. But if you feed the public something better and tell them why - yeah, "I'm, a, I'm, I'm a clap-back man but why I don't think I want to clap back, because if I do and you die then your blood is on my hands and I can't have that." So I believe we can, I believe we can come through this, brother. See, what you feel for 50 and what 50 feels for you, nobody on our level can bridge that. God is the bridge to make two men who dislike each other. But God sees we're on the brink of a pit of fire but He don't want you burned or 50 burned or any of our youth burned. He wants to save us from that pit of fire and unite your hearts that you become brothers, even though today at this moment you see yourself as enemies. I love Ja Rule and I love 50 Cent. I love Irv Gotti. I love Lighty. Ain't none of you that I don't love because I see beyond where you are to what I know we're capable of becoming. And I don't believe, Ja, you've reached your full potential yet.

JA RULE: I haven't - I don't believe it either. [Laughs]

REV. FARRAKHAN: And, and I know there's a world for you out there beyond even the world that you've touched. And if you look at the fame that God has given you, you didn't just do hip-hop. You wrote songs. You appealed to sisters with beautiful lyrics and whatnot. You're broad. Very, broad. You can touch that genre and you can go all the way over. That's an artist. I would like to ask Ja if Ja would be willing to sit at some point in the future or as quickly as we can with the rest of the brothers with whom there's a beef. And I'll do my best to work to bring about peace so that you and 50 and all can continue your careers, but above all, to save young people from a plot that is bigger than you and 50...

JA RULE: Right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...and all others... JA RULE: Right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...that have a beef.

JA RULE: Right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Would you be willing, Ja, to sit with others to bring that about?

JA RULE: Absolutely. Because I see the bigger picture that you're talking about. It's not about me and 50's personal beef. It's about the, the overall state of hip-hop and, and, and the children that are coming up watching and learning and pitting themselves against each other because one rapper says he doesn't like the other rapper. I see the bigger picture. But for the sake of our children and things like that and, and, and the state of hip-hop and the well-being of hip-hop and what you're saying, I understand it and I'd be very crazy and disrespectful to say I wouldn't sit down at that table to try to help hip-hop.

REV. FARRAKHAN: If the two of you come together, you heal so many wounds, wounds that you don't even see. And suppose after that we organize a peace tour? FEMALE VOICE: Mm.


REV. FARRAKHAN: Tearing up the country and the world. But the youth that are there, I mean, this brother could say, "Wankster," he can say, "Clap back," and then take it to another level and let everybody go out of there feeling the power of their youth and their strength...

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...and the newness of this young man who is really the formation of a whole new world.


REV. FARRAKHAN: The Bible says, man, when those children of Israel came up on the Pharaoh...

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...God told Moses, "Let the old ones die out in the wilderness."

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: "And I'm going to take their children and they will inhabit the Promised Land."

JA RULE: Yeah.

REV. FARRAKHAN: When I see you all, that's what I see. I see the promise of everyone that died in slavery in you all. I see the strength in you but all I see is that the generation needs direction. You got everything you need to become powerful. Just guidance. Direction. And if I can supply that, my brothers can go on and build a whole new reality for themselves and for our people. And them three lovely children that you got, they'll never be at no graveside mourning because somebody in the night... FEMALE VOICE: Right.

JA RULE: Mm-hmm.

REV. FARRAKHAN: ...took out their daddy over some foolishness.

JA RULE: That's right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: May God bless you, Ja. [Off-Mike Comments] May God bless you, Irv. May Godbless 50 and the crew that throws with him. May God bless hip-hop to rise to its full potential, to take the youth of the world and instead of making them instruments of death, make them instruments of peace. FEMALE VOICE: Ah.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Blessed are the peacemakers...


REV. FARRAKHAN: For they shall be called the children of God.

JA RULE: That's right.

REV. FARRAKHAN: Thank you all.


Interview By DefJam on 4/Nov/03


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